C'mon guys, you really don't think that most of Boobus Americanus will fall for this, do you?
Well, actually they do. Witness the frequent game with "dealer stickers" on the windows in which they charge up to $1,000 for what amounts to $5 worth of Scotchguard (yes, from a spray can) in the form of "fabric and paint protection." That's pretty good money for a guy to spray a bunch of silicone from a can on your new upholstery for 10 minutes! No, I'm talking about the ubiquitous "documentation fee" that has showed up of late -- well, ok, not necessarily "showed up" (it's been there for quite a while) but ratcheted up. My quick survey says that these junk fees have more than doubled in the last 10 years or so and now frequently are over $500! You know what the dealer does for that? He hits "Print" on his computer. Yes, really. What's his per-hourly billed rate, when you look at what's actually done, for that "service"? $5,000 or so? That's nice if you can manage to talk people into paying that sort of hourly rate. Since this is a "fee" it generally cannot be blanked off their purchase agreement, and in fact there are even laws to that effect. But that doesn't stop you from getting rid of it -- simply demand that the same amount come off the top-line price of the car. Oh, by the way, if you want to really be insulted in most states you will pay sales tax on that "Documentation Fee" too. So now you get to pay the state for the dealer pressing "Print" and his $5,000 per hour charge to do so. People say that "The Internet has made car buying more-transparent." That's a lie. Take a look at all the various sites -- Truecar, Edmunds, etc. They all state in the fine print that these fees are excluded in the prices they quote you. As such you cannot compare apples-to-apples using these "shopping tools", because they exclude a fee that each dealer sets and that fee tends to be quite large and is factually nothing more than "additional dealer profit" on a per-unit basis. I own two vehicles I bought new at the present time. On one I walked out of the dealership twice when they tried to add that fee in after we had negotiated a cash price "plus only tax, title and tag" and then in the F&I office they attempted to present with me a "standard" sales order that had it on there. I told them I wouldn't pay it, they said because it was pre-printed it couldn't be negotiated, and I countered with "oh yes it can, subtract it from the price of the car and it is mathematically removed." It took walking out twice, but the deal closed and they didn't get a nickel of that junk "fee" from me. On the second transaction the dealer listened to me initially when I told him that my father's best friend ran a Buick dealership for 30 years, and as a result when I asked for a bottom-line price I both understood how car dealers operated and meant what I said -- and had no intention of playing games. They presented me with a sales order that was acceptable "as-written" -- yeah, the "fee" was in there, but it was deducted back out of the cash price up above, so there you have it. That transaction was utterly painless and the delivery was too; it took a literal 20 minutes front-to-back complete with paperwork and I was out the door with the car on a cash transaction. There is a common meme running around these days that dealers "don't make any money" on new cars nowdays due to the Internet. That's horsecrap. I'd argue they're probably making more per-car now than they were before due to this fee escalation; in many cases your actual cash price for the car exceeds the MSRP. I have a quote right here in my email for which this is the case. A better price eh? I've been asked to help a few friends over the years with this process at various dealers and every one of them have tried to pull this and sometimes much worse. But in recent years this sort of nonsense has escalated in size, if not technique. When called on it dealers will usually admit that this is simply profit to them, but they all start with pointing at their contract and trying to defend it as "everyone pays that." I even had a dealer recently tell me that he paid it on his car. Well, if he did and didn't get that trash deducted back off the cash price then he's dumber than a box of rocks. I have been blessed with not having a personal reason to deal with this crap voluntarily, other than when helping a friend in navigating this snake pit, for the last decade.... but now I do, once again, and thus into the breach I go. Now let me point something else out: These are the same people who form associations and then try to get those who want to break the back of this sort of outrageous behavior thrown out of their states -- witness Tesla in New Jersey and, believe it or not, the so-called-free state of Texas. PS: Let's run an experiment. If you are a car dealer and don't pull this crap PM me (or use the "email" link below) and tell me what line(s) you represent. I'll give you one shot if you have a line I'm interested in, and yes, I'll take a road trip to come get the car too -- I'm serious. I like |
Submitted by Michael Snyder of The Economic Collapse blog,
You will be shocked at what some Americans actually believe.
For example, close to 90 percent of us believe that we are eating a
healthy diet, and yet more than third of the population is officially
obese. 65 percent of all Americans say that they are dissatisfied with
the government, and yet nearly a third of us would be willing to submit
to a "TSA body cavity search" in order to get on an airplane.
As you will see below, Americans are angrier and more
frustrated with government and with their lives than ever before, but we
also exhibit almost unbelievable levels of sloth and apathy.
Some of the numbers below are quite funny, and others are absolutely
stunning. But they all say something about who we have become as a
nation.
The following are 30 survey results that sound false but that are actually true...
#1 According to a recent Rasmussen Reports survey, 52 percent of Americans "do not think the economy is fair to those willing to work hard".
#2 70 percent of all Americans do not "feel engaged or inspired at their jobs".
#3 According to another recent Rasmussen Reports survey, 59 percent
of Americans believe that "less government involvement in the economy"
would help reduce the size of the income gap in this country. (And
those 59 percent are actually correct.)
#4 20 percent of all government workers and 26 percent of all Obama supporters consider the Tea Party to be "the biggest terror threat" that America is facing.
#5 Approximately 30 percent of all American workers have $1,000 or less saved up for retirement.
#6 A worldwide survey conducted by the Worldwide Independent Network and Gallup found that 24 percent
of people around the world consider the United States to be the biggest
threat to peace. Pakistan was in second place with just 8 percent.
#7 60 percent of Americans report feeling "angry or irritable". Two years ago that number was at 50 percent.
#8 36 percent of Americans admit that they have yelled at a customer service agent during the past year.
#9 29 percent of Americans believe that "cloud computing" involves an actual cloud.
#10 A survey of employers that currently pay minimum wage to at least some of their employees found that 38 percent of them would start laying off employees if the minimum wage was raised.
#11 One survey found that 56 percent
of Americans believe that it is okay for the government to track "the
telephone records of millions of Americans" in order to keep us safe.
#12 When George W. Bush was president, 61 percent of Democrats considered NSA surveillance to be "unacceptable", but now that Obama is in the White House, only 34 percent of them consider it to be "unacceptable".
#13 67 percent of Americans support the use of unmanned drones in "homeland security missions" inside the United States.
#14 One survey found that 51 percent
of all Americans agree with this statement: "it is necessary to give up
some civil liberties in order to make the country safe from terrorism."
#15 Close to one-third of all Americans would be willing to submit to a "TSA body cavity search" in order to fly.
#16 65 percent
of Americans are dissatisfied "with the U.S. system of government and
its effectiveness". That is the highest level of dissatisfaction that
Gallup has ever recorded.
#17 Only 8 percent of Americans believe that Congress is doing a "good" or "excellent" job.
#18 70 percent
of Americans do not have confidence that the federal government will
"make progress on the important problems and issues facing the country
in 2014".
#19 According to a survey conducted by the National Geographic Society, only 37 percent of all Americans in the 18 to 24-year-old age range can find the nation of Iraq on a map.
#20 Close to 25 percent of all Americans do not know that the United States declared independence from Great Britain.
#21 Right now, 29 percent of all Americans under the age of 35 are living with their parents.
#22 According to one survey, 24 percent of all U.S. teens that have a sexually-transmitted disease say that they still have unprotected sex.
#23 Approximately one out of every five teenage girls in the United States actually wants to be a teenage mother.
#24 The percentage of Americans that "believe there are signs that aliens have visited Earth" is actually higher than the percentage of Americans that believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
#25 According to one recent survey, only 35 percent of all Americans say that they are better off financially than they were a year ago.
#26 It is hard to believe, but 56 percent of all Americans are considered to have "subprime credit" at this point.
#27 89.7 percent of all Americans believe that they are eating a healthy diet. Meanwhile, approximately 36 percent of all Americans are obese.
#28 44 percent of all Americans do not have a first-aid kit in their homes.
#29 48 percent of all Americans do not have any emergency supplies stored up at all.
#30 53 percent
of all Americans do not even have a 3 day supply of nonperishable food
and water in their homes. What will they do when a major crisis or
emergency strikes? Do they actually believe that the government will
swoop in to save them if something happens?